Add information on the Fedora Join channels

ankursinha commented

2019-09-25 08:30:08 +00:00

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This is part of our attempt to make Fedora Join more visible to
newcomers. It was discussed with Mindshare here:
https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/147

A blog post will be out on the community blog in a few days. Preview
link:
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=8223&preview=1&_ppp=0fa8698e28

An e-mail to the Join SIG mailing list about this can be seen here:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fedora-join@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/V6HDQZGM5YUCJDYIRCMJKT4TLKRE3ZVA/

(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Welcome will be redirected to this docs page)

I've not been able to build the docs yet to preview the page. I get this:

$ ./build.sh 

This build script is using Podman to run the build in an isolated environment.

WARN[0000] Error initializing configured OCI runtime runc: no valid executable found for OCI runtime runc: invalid argument 
Error: could not get runtime: default OCI runtime "runc" not found: invalid argument

I'll post on the docs ML to see what's causing this.

This is part of our attempt to make Fedora Join more visible to newcomers. It was discussed with Mindshare here: https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/147 A blog post will be out on the community blog in a few days. Preview link: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=8223&preview=1&_ppp=0fa8698e28 An e-mail to the Join SIG mailing list about this can be seen here: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/fedora-join@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/V6HDQZGM5YUCJDYIRCMJKT4TLKRE3ZVA/ (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Welcome will be redirected to this docs page) I've not been able to build the docs yet to preview the page. I get this: ``` $ ./build.sh This build script is using Podman to run the build in an isolated environment. WARN[0000] Error initializing configured OCI runtime runc: no valid executable found for OCI runtime runc: invalid argument Error: could not get runtime: default OCI runtime "runc" not found: invalid argument ``` I'll post on the docs ML to see what's causing this.

hhlp commented

2019-09-25 09:09:39 +00:00

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@ankursinha, I think you're affecting for this bug's ...

https://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F31_bugs#Podman_fails_to_run_containers_on_upgraded_systems_.28due_to_use_of_runc_runtime_with_cgroups_v2.29

Regards.,

@ankursinha, I think you're affecting for this bug's ... https://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F31_bugs#Podman_fails_to_run_containers_on_upgraded_systems_.28due_to_use_of_runc_runtime_with_cgroups_v2.29 Regards.,

ankursinha commented

2019-09-25 10:29:13 +00:00

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Thanks @hhlp. Looked like it, but the suggested fix did not work. I'll post to docs and see what's up :)

bcotton commented

2019-09-25 18:31:46 +00:00

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That's not correct. From the What is Fedora? section:

The Fedora Project is a community of people working together to build a free and open source software platform and to collaborate on and share user-focused solutions built on that platform. Or, in plain English, we make an operating system and we make it easy for you do useful stuff with it.

We should stay on-message with the mission statement:

Fedora creates an innovative platform for hardware, clouds, and containers that enables software developers and community members to build tailored solutions for their users.

That's not correct. From the [What is Fedora?](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/#_what_is_fedora) section: > The Fedora Project is a community of people working together to build a free and open source software platform and to collaborate on and share user-focused solutions built on that platform. Or, in plain English, we make an operating system and we make it easy for you do useful stuff with it. We should stay on-message with the [mission statement](https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/#_our_mission): > Fedora creates an innovative platform for hardware, clouds, and containers that enables software developers and community members to build tailored solutions for their users.

ankursinha commented

2019-09-25 19:03:08 +00:00

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No, "what is Fedora" and the mission statement need changing. This ticket is pending:
https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/262

The first foundation at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/#_what_is_fedora says:

"We are dedicated to free software and content.

Advancing software and content freedom is a central community goal, which we accomplish through the software and content we promote. "

So, I'm very much on point when it comes to what the community is about. :)

No, "what is Fedora" and the mission statement need changing. This ticket is pending: https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/262 The first foundation at https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/#_what_is_fedora says: "We are dedicated to free software and content. Advancing software and content freedom is a central community goal, which we accomplish through the software and content we promote. " So, I'm very much on point when it comes to what the community is about. :)

bcotton commented

2019-09-25 19:13:52 +00:00

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No, "what is Fedora" and the mission statement need changing.

The mission statement is relatively recent (spring 2017). Given the amount of work that goes into changing a mission statement, I wouldn't expect any movement on that until our November hackfest, if then.

Furthering the FOSS philosophy is much broader of a mission than we actually do, so it doesn't make sense to make that our mission. It's something we value, which is why it's in the Four Foundations, but it's not our mission.

> No, "what is Fedora" and the mission statement need changing. The mission statement is relatively recent (spring 2017). Given the amount of work that goes into changing a mission statement, I wouldn't expect any movement on that until our November hackfest, if then. Furthering the FOSS philosophy is much broader of a mission than we actually do, so it doesn't make sense to make that our mission. It's something we value, which is why it's in the Four Foundations, but it's not our *mission*.

mattdm commented

2019-09-25 21:09:10 +00:00

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Hi @ankursinha! I appreciate what you're doing here and especially your passion for it, but I also have pretty strong opinions about the mission statement and how it relates to community values, goals, and work. I actually talked about this very thing in my Flock talk with ticket 262 in mind... but I apologize for not updating that ticket -- I'll take some time to do so now!

Hi @ankursinha! I appreciate what you're doing here and especially your passion for it, but I also have pretty strong opinions about the mission statement and how it relates to community values, goals, and work. I actually talked about this very thing in my Flock talk with [ticket 262](https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/262) in mind... but I apologize for not updating that ticket -- I'll take some time to do so now!

ankursinha commented

2019-09-25 21:24:20 +00:00

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Furthering the FOSS philosophy is much broader of a mission than we actually do, so it doesn't make sense to make that our mission. It's something we value, which is why it's in the Four Foundations, but it's not our mission.

This page is not meant to sell the product we create. It's meant to encourage people to join the community. When we say "we build an innovative platform ....", it leaves out a massive part of the community, basically everyone that is not engaged directly in the engineering effort. It says nothing about:

the infra tools we build/use
the artwork/design that goes into it
the web bits, the marketing, the co-ordination, the dissemination
even something as critical as QA doesn't come out clearly

Yes, all of this is implied, but only we in the community are aware that it is. People outside our bubble are not. They really do not seem to know what goes on "under the hood".

So, sure, when we're selling the product, it is good to limit our mission to "building a platform ..", but when we're building the community that is not enough. We need to attract more than just tech folks, at least get more people through the door and maybe then they'll pick up the skills.

Hi @ankursinha! I appreciate what you're doing here and especially your passion for it, but I also have pretty strong opinions about the mission statement and how it relates to community values, goals, and work. I actually talked about this very thing in my Flock talk with ticket 262 in mind... but I apologize for not updating that ticket -- I'll take some time to do so now!

No worries. I understand that the mission needs to remain focused on deliverables---whatever we decide them to be. I really do. I just don't think that "we build software" works well when we're looking to attract people to the community.

> Furthering the FOSS philosophy is much broader of a mission than we actually do, so it doesn't make sense to make that our mission. It's something we value, which is why it's in the Four Foundations, but it's not our mission. This page is not meant to sell the product we create. It's meant to encourage people to join the community. When we say "we build an innovative platform ....", it leaves out a massive part of the community, basically everyone that is not engaged directly in the engineering effort. It says nothing about: - the infra tools we build/use - the artwork/design that goes into it - the web bits, the marketing, the co-ordination, the dissemination - even something as critical as QA doesn't come out clearly Yes, all of this is implied, but only we in the community are aware that it is. People outside our bubble are not. They really do not seem to know what goes on "under the hood". So, sure, when we're selling the product, it is good to limit our mission to "building a platform ..", but when we're building the community that is not enough. We need to attract more than just tech folks, at least get more people through the door and maybe then they'll pick up the skills. > Hi @ankursinha! I appreciate what you're doing here and especially your passion for it, but I also have pretty strong opinions about the mission statement and how it relates to community values, goals, and work. I actually talked about this very thing in my Flock talk with ticket 262 in mind... but I apologize for not updating that ticket -- I'll take some time to do so now! No worries. I understand that the mission needs to remain focused on deliverables---whatever we decide them to be. I really do. I just don't think that "we build software" works well when we're looking to attract people to the community.

mattdm commented

2019-09-25 23:19:08 +00:00

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No worries. I understand that the mission needs to remain focused on deliverables---whatever we decide them to be. I really do. I just don't think that "we build software" works well when we're looking to attract people to the community.

That's a reasonable critique. I certainly don't want Fedora to only be for software developers. Let me think about it a bit more!

> No worries. I understand that the mission needs to remain focused on deliverables---whatever we decide them to be. I really do. I just don't think that "we build software" works well when we're looking to attract people to the community. That's a reasonable critique. I certainly don't want Fedora to only be for software developers. Let me think about it a bit more!

ankursinha commented

2019-10-28 23:50:11 +00:00

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1 new commit added

Improve the join doc

**1 new commit added** * ``Improve the join doc``

ankursinha commented

2019-10-28 23:51:00 +00:00

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I've made some changes---how does this look for the time being @bcotton @mattdm?

ankursinha commented

2019-10-28 23:51:35 +00:00

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CC @alciregi

alciregi commented

2019-11-13 18:43:04 +00:00

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Any progress on this?

bcotton commented

2020-02-14 00:43:49 +00:00

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D'oh. I somehow missed the update. My apologized. @ankursinha I think your updated commit strikes a good compromise for the time being (and Council ticket 262 is being worked on, I promise!). Can you please rebase and then I'll merge it.

D'oh. I somehow missed the update. My apologized. @ankursinha I think your updated commit strikes a good compromise for the time being (and [Council ticket 262](https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/262) is being worked on, I promise!). Can you please rebase and then I'll merge it.

ankursinha commented

2020-02-14 11:21:25 +00:00

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rebased onto c0a960596f

rebased onto c0a960596ffffd0e253a0fa19ca1824d965e8c1d

ankursinha commented

2020-02-14 11:28:05 +00:00

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D'oh. I somehow missed the update. My apologized. @ankursinha I think your updated commit strikes a good compromise for the time being (and Council ticket 262 is being worked on, I promise!). Can you please rebase and then I'll merge it.

No worries, I know how busy the council are :)

I've rebased this now. Please let me know if anything else is needed here.

cc @alishapapun

> D'oh. I somehow missed the update. My apologized. @ankursinha I think your updated commit strikes a good compromise for the time being (and Council ticket 262 is being worked on, I promise!). Can you please rebase and then I'll merge it. No worries, I know how busy the council are :) I've rebased this now. Please let me know if anything else is needed here. cc @alishapapun

bcotton commented

2020-02-14 13:12:06 +00:00

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Pull-Request has been merged by bcotton

bcotton commented

2020-02-14 13:13:37 +00:00

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Thanks again, @ankursinha. I regret that I have but one karma cookie to give to you

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